The S-space problem, and the cardinal invariant p

Recall that an S-space is a regular hereditarily separable topological space which is not hereditarily Lindelöf. Do they exist? Consistently, yes. However, Szentmiklóssy proved that compact S-spaces do not exist, assuming Martin’s Axiom. Pushing this further, Todorcevic later proved that there are no S-spaces under PFA.

In the above-mentioned paper of Todorcevic, it is also proved that PFA entails ω1(ω1,α)2 for all α<ω1. As you might remember, a proof of the latter was given in an earlier post. In this post, we shall show how the same ideas of the preceding yields the result about S-spaces.

Lemma. If X,τ is a regular topological space which is not hereditarily Lindelöf, then there exists a sequence (xγ,Uγ)γ<ω1 such that for all γ<ω1:

  • xγUγτ;
  • {xβγ<β<ω1}Uγ=.

Proof. Let {Vαα<κ} be an uncountable cover of some subspace Y of X, that has no countable subcover. Then, it is easy to recursively construct (xγ,αγ)γ<ω1 such that:

  • x0 is an arbitrary element of Y, and α0 is some ordinal in κ satisfying x0Vα0;
  • xγYβ<γVαβ, and αγ is some ordinal in κ satisfying xγVαγ for all nonzero γ<ω1.

Denote Fγ:=XβγVαβ. Then Fγ is a closed subset of X, with xγFγ. Thus, by regularity of X, we can find an open set Uγ such that xγUγ, while UγFγ is empty. So UγβγVαβ, and in particular, Uγ{xβγ<β<ω1}=. ◻

Theorem (Todorcevic, 1983). PID + p>ω1 implies that there are no S-spaces.
Proof. Suppose that X=X,τ is a T1 regular space which is not a hereditarily Lindelöf. We shall prove that the space is neither hereditarily separable.
Let (xβ,Uβ)β<ω1 be given by the previous lemma. For notational simplicity, we shall identify xβ with β, for all β<ω1. Write Iβ:=Uβ{β}. Then, after the notational simplification, we get that ω1 is the underlying set of some uncountable subspace of X, and Iβω1β. Put  I:={Y[ω1]0|{β<ω1YIβ is infinite}|0}.
By Lemma 2 from the earlier post, I is a P-ideal. Hence, the P-Ideal dichotomy entails that one of the following must hold:

There exists an uncountable Aω1 such that [A]0I.
Then, by Lemma 1 of the earlier post, there exists an uncountable BA such that αIβ (and hence αUβ) for all α<β in B. So B (or {xββB}, if you like) is an uncountable discrete subspace of X, and hence the latter is not hereditarily separable.

There exists a sequence Znn<ω whose union is ω1, and [Zn]0I= for all n<ω. Pick n<ω such that Zn is uncountable, and simply denote Z:=Zn.
We claim that Z is not separable. Suppose not, and pick a dense subset Y[Z]0.
Notice that for every F[ω1]<ω, the set YF:=YβFIβ is infinite (because otherwise, the set Y would have been covered by the relatively-closed and countable set {(Iβ{β})ZβFYF}, contradicting the choice of Y as a dense subset of the uncountable space Z). As p>1, we may now pick an infinite pseduointersection P of the family {YIββ<ω1}. As P[Z]0, and the latter is disjoint from I, we get that PI, and there must exist some (in fact, uncountably many) β<ω1 such that PIβ is infinite. Fix such a β. Then , PIβ is infinite, while P(YIβ). This is a contradiction. So, Z is indeed a nonseparable subspace of X. ◻

Open problem. In his paper, Todorcevic introduced the so-called models of the form PFA(T)[T]. Here PFA(T) stands for a certain weakening of the usual PFA, in which a Souslin tree T exists. Then, roughly speaking, a model of the form PFA(T)[T] is the outcome of forcing with the Souslin tree T over the ground model of PFA(T).
Todorecevic proved that any such model of PFA(T)[T] satisfies PID. However, it is open whether PFA(T)[T] refutes the existence of S-spaces, since after forcing with the Souslin tree T, we have p=ω1 (see Farah’s lemma).

 

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  4. saf says:

    Update: in the following paper, T. Yorioka proves an approximation of the consistency of PID+p=1+there are no S-spaces.

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