c.c.c. vs. the Knaster property

After my previous post on Mekler’s characterization of c.c.c. notions of forcing, Sam, Mike and myself discussed the value of it . We noticed that a prevalent verification of the c.c.c. goes like this: given an uncountable set of conditions, apply the Δ-system lemma, thin out the outcome some more (typically, a few iterations are needed) and then find two conditions in the thinned-out set which are already compatible. This successful method usually ends up showing more than the c.c.c. —  it shows that the poset has the Knaster property (i.e., every uncountable set of conditions, contains an uncountable subset of pairwise compatible conditions). However, if the notion of forcing does not have the Knaster property, then this method is unlikely to do the job. A-ha! So, that’s perhaps the value of Mekler’s verification method – to establish c.c.c. for posets which are not better than that. We decided to test this conjecture.
Todorcevic was around during our conversation, so we asked him for an example of a poset which is c.c.c., but does not have the Kanster property (of course, a Souslin tree is such an example, but Souslin trees are c.c.c. by definition, and we wanted to examine the verification method). He provided the following hint.

Example. Suppose that b=ω1, and let f=fαα<ω1 witness that. That is:

  1. fαωω is an increasing function for all α<ω1;
  2. {n<ωfα(n)fβ(n)} is finite, whenever α<β<ω1;
  3. for every gωω, there exists some α<ω1 such that {n<ωg(n)<fβ(n)} is infinite, whenever α<β<ω1.

Let αβ iff {n<ωfα(n)>fβ(n)} is empty. Now, let P be the collection of all finite antichains of the poset ω1,, ordered by inclusion.

So, I tried to use the Mekler method to verify that P is c.c.c., without much of success. (What about you? can you suggest such a proof?)
Eventually, I did find a proof, and this finding lead me to yet another characterization:

(Ridiculously trivial) Observtion. Suppose that P is a given notion of forcing. Then the following are equivalent:

  1. P is c.c.c.;
  2. for every large enough regular cardinal κ, there exists an elementary submodel N(H(κ),) with PN, that enjoys the following feature. For every uncountable AP in N, there exists qAN, and rAN which are compatible.

A second look at Mekler’s proof of the Devlin-Shelah theorem makes it clear that the latter characterization may be utilized to establish the c.c.c. of the Devlin-Shelah notion of forcing. So, we did not lose anything. Yet, the above (ridiculously trivial) characterization is the key to the proof that I came up with of the following.

Proposition. P is c.c.c.
Proof. Let N be an arbitrary elementary submodel of (H(κ),) for a large enough κ, such that f,PN. Suppose that we are given an uncountable subset AP in N. Fix an arbitrary qAN, and let us find some rAN which is compatible with q.

Before we begin, we introduce some notation.

  1. For all α<β, denote Δ(α,β):=min{m<ωmn<ω(fα(n)fβ(n))};
  2. For all α<β, denote Γ(α,β):=min{m<ωmn<ω(fα(n)<fβ(n))};
  3. For all pP, and m<ω, let hpm:|p|mω be the function satisfying hpm(i)=fαm for the unique αp such that |pα|=i.

Here we go. Let ρ=qN. Then ρ is a finite subset of N, and hence in N. Let S:={ν<ω1pA(pν=ρ)}. Since SN, and Nω1S (as witnessed by q), we infer that S is stationary. In particular, we may fix some νS above max(q). Pick pAN such that pν=ρ. Since pN, we get that pρ and pq, so let m:=max{Γ(α,γ)α<γ,αq,γp}.

Put h:=hpm+1. Then hN, and p is a member of the following set (which lies in N, as well): A(h,ρ):={rAhrm+1=h &α<ω1(rα=ρ)}. In particular, we may pick some rA(h,ρ)N.
As hrm+1=hpm+1, we get that |r|=|p|, so let π:rp be the order-preserving isomorphism. Then πρ is the identity map, and fβ(m+1)=fπ(β)(m+1) for all βr.

We claim that r and q are compatible. Namely, that Δ(β,α)>0 for all β<α in rq. Suppose that β<α are in rq. For β,αr or β,αq, it is immediate that Δ(β,α)>0, so suppose that βrq and αqr. As rq=ρ, we get that β<α. Let γ:=π(β). By fβ(m+1)=fγ(m+1) and Γ(α,γ)m, we get that fα(m)<fγ(m)=fβ(m), and hence Δ(β,α)>m0. ◻

Note that essentially the same proof as above shows that P is productively c.c.c., and also that this works to any uncountable sequence of reals f. So, what’s the role of b=1? It is here to insure the following.

Proposition. P does not have the Knaster property.
Proof. Suppose that A is an uncountable subset of P. We shall find two conditions in A which are incompatible. For this, we may already assume that A forms a Δ-system with a root ρ. In particular, pmin(pρ) is an injection, and B={min(pρ)pA} is an uncountable subset of ω1. If we can find α<β in B for which Δ(α,β)=0, then for the corresponding conditions p,qA (i.e., α=min(pρ),β=min(qρ)), we get that pq is not an antichain in the poset ω1,, and hence, p and q are incompatible.

Here we go. Fix a large enough regular cardinal κ, and then a countable elementary submodel N(H(κ),) with B,fN. Let δ:=min(BN). Evidently, B(δ+1)=n<ω{βB(δ+1)Δ(δ,β)=n}, so let us fix some n<ω such that Bn:={βB(δ+1)Δ(δ,β)=n} is uncountable. By the choice of f (more specifically, by item (3) there), we get that the set M:={m<ωsup{fβ(m)βBn}=ω} is non-empty (in fact, infinite), so consider its minimal element, m:=min(M).
For tmω, denote Bnt:={βBntfβ}. By minimality of m, the set {tmωBnt} is finite, so  we can easily find some tmω such that sup{fβ(m)βBnt}=ω. Since {βBtfβ} is a non-empty set that lies in N, let us fix some αNB such that tfα. Put k:=Δ(α,δ), and then pick βBnt such that fβ(m)>fα(k+n). Of course, α<δ<β.
We claim that Δ(α,β)=0. This is best seen by dividing into three cases:

  • if i<m, then fα(i)=t(i)=fβ(i);
  • if mik+n, then fα(i)fα(k+n)<fβ(m)fβ(i) (recall that the elements of f are increasing functions!);
  •  if k+n<i<ω, then Δ(α,δ)=k<i and fα(i)fδ(i), as well as Δ(δ,β)=n<i and fδ(i)fβ(i). Altogether, fα(i)fβ(i). ◻

We conclude this post with an awkward proof of the following.

Fact. MA1 entails b>ω1.
Proof. Suppose not. Then MA1 is consistent together with the existence of a poset P=P, of size 1 which is productively c.c.c., but not Knaster. Define a poset Q=Q,, by Q:=<ωP, and q1q2 (i.e., q2 extends q1) iff dom(q1)dom(q2), and q1(i)q2(i) for all idom(q1). Since P is productively c.c.c, Q is c.c.c.. Also, it a trivial fact that for any pP, and qQ, qpQ. So, Dp:={qQprng(q)} is dense in Q, for all pP.
Finally, by MA1, let GQ be a directed set that meets any of the sets from the sequence DppP. Denote Pi:={q(i)qG} for all i<ω. Then P=i<ωPi. Since G is -directed, Pi is -directed for all i<ω. It follows that for every uncountable AP, there exists some i<ω such that APi is an uncountable subset of A whose elements are pairwise compatible. That is, P has the Knaster property, contradicting the very choice of P. ◻

 

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