After my previous post on Mekler’s characterization of c.c.c. notions of forcing, Sam, Mike and myself discussed the value of it . We noticed that a prevalent verification of the c.c.c. goes like this: given an uncountable set of conditions, apply the -system lemma, thin out the outcome some more (typically, a few iterations are needed) and then find two conditions in the thinned-out set which are already compatible. This successful method usually ends up showing more than the c.c.c. — it shows that the poset has the Knaster property (i.e., every uncountable set of conditions, contains an uncountable subset of pairwise compatible conditions). However, if the notion of forcing does not have the Knaster property, then this method is unlikely to do the job. A-ha! So, that’s perhaps the value of Mekler’s verification method – to establish c.c.c. for posets which are not better than that. We decided to test this conjecture.
Todorcevic was around during our conversation, so we asked him for an example of a poset which is c.c.c., but does not have the Kanster property (of course, a Souslin tree is such an example, but Souslin trees are c.c.c. by definition, and we wanted to examine the verification method). He provided the following hint.
Example. Suppose that , and let witness that. That is:
- is an increasing function for all ;
- is finite, whenever ;
- for every , there exists some such that is infinite, whenever .
Let iff is empty. Now, let be the collection of all finite antichains of the poset , ordered by inclusion.
So, I tried to use the Mekler method to verify that is c.c.c., without much of success. (What about you? can you suggest such a proof?)
Eventually, I did find a proof, and this finding lead me to yet another characterization:
(Ridiculously trivial) Observtion. Suppose that is a given notion of forcing. Then the following are equivalent:
- is c.c.c.;
- for every large enough regular cardinal , there exists an elementary submodel with , that enjoys the following feature. For every uncountable in , there exists , and which are compatible.
A second look at Mekler’s proof of the Devlin-Shelah theorem makes it clear that the latter characterization may be utilized to establish the c.c.c. of the Devlin-Shelah notion of forcing. So, we did not lose anything. Yet, the above (ridiculously trivial) characterization is the key to the proof that I came up with of the following.
Proposition. is c.c.c.
Proof. Let be an arbitrary elementary submodel of for a large enough , such that . Suppose that we are given an uncountable subset in . Fix an arbitrary , and let us find some which is compatible with .
Before we begin, we introduce some notation.
- For all , denote
- For all , denote
- For all , and , let be the function satisfying for the unique such that .
Here we go. Let . Then is a finite subset of , and hence in . Let Since , and (as witnessed by ), we infer that is stationary. In particular, we may fix some above . Pick such that . Since , we get that and , so let
Put . Then , and is a member of the following set (which lies in , as well): In particular, we may pick some .
As , we get that , so let be the order-preserving isomorphism. Then is the identity map, and for all .
We claim that and are compatible. Namely, that for all in . Suppose that are in . For or , it is immediate that , so suppose that and . As , we get that . Let . By and , we get that , and hence .
Note that essentially the same proof as above shows that is productively c.c.c., and also that this works to any uncountable sequence of reals . So, what’s the role of ? It is here to insure the following.
Proposition. does not have the Knaster property.
Proof. Suppose that is an uncountable subset of . We shall find two conditions in which are incompatible. For this, we may already assume that forms a -system with a root . In particular, is an injection, and is an uncountable subset of . If we can find in for which , then for the corresponding conditions (i.e., , we get that is not an antichain in the poset , and hence, and are incompatible.
Here we go. Fix a large enough regular cardinal , and then a countable elementary submodel with . Let . Evidently, , so let us fix some such that is uncountable. By the choice of (more specifically, by item (3) there), we get that the set is non-empty (in fact, infinite), so consider its minimal element, .
For , denote . By minimality of , the set is finite, so we can easily find some such that Since is a non-empty set that lies in , let us fix some such that . Put , and then pick such that . Of course, .
We claim that . This is best seen by dividing into three cases:
- if , then ;
- if , then (recall that the elements of are increasing functions!);
- if , then and , as well as and . Altogether, .
We conclude this post with an awkward proof of the following.
Fact. entails .
Proof. Suppose not. Then is consistent together with the existence of a poset of size which is productively , but not Knaster. Define a poset , by , and (i.e., extends ) iff , and for all . Since is productively , is . Also, it a trivial fact that for any , and , . So, is dense in , for all .
Finally, by , let be a directed set that meets any of the sets from the sequence . Denote for all . Then . Since is -directed, is -directed for all . It follows that for every uncountable , there exists some such that is an uncountable subset of whose elements are pairwise compatible. That is, has the Knaster property, contradicting the very choice of .
